Conducted on 2/8/99I hadn't seen a G.O.E.D. in so long, when I saw issue #30 at my friend Andrews house I was shocked that it was still going on! I had to borrow it (Yes, I still have it Andrew) and he is still at it and looks like he's going strong. I am currently selling issues #4 & #5 which are collector issues, I might add, and are both for sale for $75.00. First come, first serve. Excellent condition with the exception an El Pecado demo review is cut out of #5. I'm not much of a collector any more, but I won't give them up that easy. - Mike - 10/12/2005
#4 has interviews with; King Diamond (imagine that), Morbid Angel, Benediction, Oppressor, Mindstorm, X-Cops, Descend, Evoke, Morning Sign, Dean Adams, Dusk, etc...
#5 has interviews with; Cathedral, Bathory, Napalm Death, Immolation, Internal Bleeding, Deranged, Mindrot, At the Gates, Morta Skuld, and many more.
I have been following Bill "Zebub" Tís work since his 4th issue. His humor, as some of you may know, is definitely not for everybody, but if you actually give his magazine a chance, you will probably either die laughing at some of the questions and comments he trends to unleash towards the individuals he chooses to humiliate, or you will just nod in utter disgust. Either way, Bill will be around to plague the underground until someone finally finds him alone in a dark alley. If youíre looking for a different ízine, with a different attitude, even if your not into metal, look no further, The Grimoire of Exalted Deeds is something you might want to check into.
Bill always has something to mess with, like this picture of the band Korovakill. Notice how he has manipulated their heads and face. This picture, and all the others inside issue #30 had me rolling on the floor!
What are your opinions on religion?
Bill: Being that there is evidence of total scamming, I personally am very intolerant. Take for example the Dead Sea Scrolls. The authors revealed the technique they used to encode their history into the seemingly harmless gospels. The sad thing is, the gospels have been taken for their literal meaning, or for divine interpretation, instead of a mundane and earthly account. Jesus was not special in any way other than that his blood line made him a "David". I donít want to go too far into revealing the truth, for I can sum it all up as "get a clue". I curse Charlemagne and I curse Paul, for they added such a cruel slant to this perverse belief system. How could anyone embrace a religion that caused so much suffering? But even though information is readily available that dispels the illusions, there still is sheep, and is Jesus not a "Shepard"? Ha, ha!
The Outcast: If you could change one thing about yourself, what would you change and why?
Bill: That I would stop being so eager to act on bad decisions.
The Outcast: What are your beliefs on Satan and God? Do you think they are actual beings? Why or why not?
Bill: The word "Satan" was used as a codeword for a zealot leader. The "Satan" for the New Testament was Judas. Incidentally, he was crucified for a few hours and then thrown from a cliff. As for "God", I do think that a higher being could exist, but perhaps such a being is composed of many, like we who are composed of many cells, each with separate tasks.
The Outcast: What is evil to you?
Bill: Evil is strictly a human condition, and it is a sickness. Evil could never exist in a spiritual being. I donít mean in a person who is reflective. I mean, if there is an afterlife, evil could not logically exist. With no mouth, communication must be instantaneous transfer of thought. Such communication would be perfect, impossible to misinterpret. With no bodily needs, there is no competition or greed. There would be total understanding.
The Outcast: What is your #1 philosophy in life?
Bill: I would say that my philosophy is to discover why I am alive. Why do I see things as I do? To me, existence is a grand riddle that I must solve. If death holds nothing but oblivion, then I wonder what has brought my cells together in such a manner as to produce the body that I have and the instincts that I cannot shake. Which parts of me are the results of the physical and which components of my personality can I say are free from genetics or chemicals? I think about thinking, and I ponder the nature of thought. Despair at the purely physical view of existence, and I cannot reconcile the hundreds of metaphysical theories Iíve studied with what I see. I am torn between the stark proof and between beliefs in strange physics.
The Outcast: Why do you think people go from one extreme to another? For example from a Satanist to a Christian or vise-versa?
Bill: You have to understand that not everyone who says that he/she is a Satanist is capable of being one. Anton Lavey even wrote that teenagers lack what it takes. You will agree that people say that they are Satanists in order to make an impression. As for the re-born Christian phenomenon, have you ever met one who didnít have some sort of emotional trauma? When you come to a point in your life in which you feel empty, you might fall prey to such traps. I saw a commercial on T.V. the other day that resembled a therapy-related message. The narrator asked questions like, "Do you feel like thereís no where to turn?" it ended with an offer for a free bible. It sickens me how these false altruists prey on the emotionally vulnerable.
The Outcast: What is your opinion on morals?
Bill: The part of consciousness that is responsible for mortality is called the "super ego". I try to discover why I construct barriers to certain actions and thoughts, and I dwell on particular paths I have taken. But as far as the morals that are popularized by the media, I think they are a dangerous shortcut to thinking. Sometimes it is good to make a really bad mistake. Such an experience has valuable lessons that are real, not speculated. I think that schools should place far more emphasis on logic.
The Outcast: Youíre walking down the street and a Christian walks up to you and hands you a flyer that reads: "Have you accepted Jesus Christ into your heart?", and begins to talk to you about his beliefs. Do you: a. Calmly tell him sorry but you have different beliefs and begin to talk about each others beliefs over a nice hot cup of coco? b. Walk away and say nothing. c. Tell him to fuck off and die.
Bill: I was in a supermarket with my girlfriend and we were fooling around, which attracted an idiotís attention. He came over and said, "Thatís just so great how you can have fun anywhere without caring about what people say." He then invited us to a party, which I thought was really strange. He then revealed that at this party we would drink tea and talk about how the bible can relate to our daily lives. I told him something to the effect that of not needing the bible, to which, to which he asked in horror "Then how do you figure out how to live your life?" I replied, "I am a student of philosophy, and I think that philosophy is far more beneficial to a person who is thinking about how to live life." At the time I was a philosophy major in college, which I later changed to psychology. At another time, I pulled the chair out from under Rob, (from Elegy Distr.) and two nerds came over and said, "Whoa that was really funny. Hey, I used to have long hair until I moved to this town...you know, with the cops. Hey, do you guys read the bible? We have a group that meets once a week," I told him, "Well, I read the Satanic Bible." This made him sad, and he asked why I read that. I said, "It is a lot more entertaining." It seems that I canít fall down in public without some idiot telling me about Jesus. So, I have become increasingly nasty toward these brainwashed morons. I warned the last one that I was going to test the steadfastness of the idea of turning the other cheek. The nerd didnít stick around for me to slap him.
The Outcast: For one day you have Gods power, what do you do with that power?
Bill: Go back in time to when Christina Applegate had long hair and proceed to have lots of fun, and then move onto the next goddess. But, I would miraculously increase my penis size just a hair before summoning these women to my chamber.
The Outcast: What would be the ultimate pleasure for you?
Bill: To return to the moment that I made my greatest mistake, and choose the path I now realize was best.
The Outcast: Out of curiosity, did it involve a woman?
Bill: Of course.
The Outcast: What do you hope to find after death?
Bill: Some of the more interesting views I have read about, depict the afterlife as a place of great learning. After you die, you dissect your life and you see the ripples that every action has made into the great lake of earthly life. All questions are answered. You can know everything first hand. You can know what it is like to be an ant. But, what I am hoping for is to live the hypothetical, and to see what the results of some hypothetical actions would have been. And of course, what it would have been like to have sex with Christina Applegate.
The Outcast: What are your beliefs on Murder? Rape? Eye for an eye? Turn the other cheek?
Bill: I am very intolerant of rape. The most beautiful woman I have ever known or seen revealed to me that she had been raped by a minister while she was camping with his daughter. That man is now a cop. She was raped two other times in her life, which is a sad consequence of her beauty. For that, I felt a killing rage. Because of what she revealed to me, I could not make any kind of move on her without feeling like an asshole. When I was hanging out with a different girl, I was asked why I was so quiet. So I told her about the other girlís rapes, and then the girl I was talking to revealed that she also had been raped. To my horror, almost every girl I know has been raped! What the fuck! That is a very rude awakening. So I am very angry about this unnecessary part of life. Murder can have many factors. But you can never say, "I feared for my life, so I had to rape her." It is a crime I detest.
The Outcast: I hate to get personal, but what was your childhood like? (Example: Divorced parents, alcoholics in the family, abuse, or any other negative aspects that humanity tends to unleash upon other human beings.)
Bill: I had an excellent childhood which I will probably pay for by having a miserable adulthood.
The Outcast: Were you ever "forced" to attend church growing up? If so, what was it like and what religion/denomination was it? What have your experiences been like with Christianity, if any?
Bill: At first, I was Byzantine Catholic, which was actually not too bad because everything was mysterious, and the masses were loaded with haunting opera. But when I transferred to a Roman Catholic School, the masses were unbelievable boring. I actually got into trouble because one day school ended with a mass, and I looked at it as a voluntary thing, it wasnít scholastic, so why should I be at the event? My action outraged everyone, especially since I was so relaxed about what I did. Catholics have a silly thing called "Confirmation." Well, in the catechism books there was a line stating that you should only take sacrament if you feel mature enough, which I didnít. The nuns threatened me with dire consequences if I didnít participate with all the other classmates. Duh, nice fake belief there, Batman. Catholic school taught children to look down on other people if they werenít Catholic. When I was an alter boy, I served three masses in a row and bragged to a priest that I had three holy communions in one day, which made his face turn white. I donít know why he was so mad, but he warned me never to do that again. As I received more and more of this type of reaction, I started becoming more belligerent. I would go up to Holy Communion lines several times, taking my jacket off so as not to be recognized. I would pretend to eat the wafer, but I put it in my pocket instead. Then, in school, I would offer, "Body of Christ, anyone?" That got me pretty nicely suspended.
The Outcast: Do you think people have a right to voice their opinion about a religion, or a "religious" belief without actually experiencing it?
Bill: Opinion? Maybe, it depends on how sophisticated the opinion is.
The Outcast: What was your life like before you got into metal? (Examples: Thoughts, personal beliefs on God/Satan, if any, etc...)
Bill: I must have a mental block, for I cannot recall such a period.
The Outcast: Do you believe that metal is actually the Devils music? Why or why not?
Bill: Since I do not believe in the existence of demons or any otherworldly entities, I must say no.
The Outcast: Do you think that by listening to lyrics about death, destruction, gore, Satan, the death of all that is holy, sexual contents, etc...can influence someoneís state of mind? Maybe making their lives/moods/state of mind a bit negative because theyíre exposed to it everyday if theyíre heavily into a style of music that tends to talk about negative subjects?
Bill: I find that, when I am depressed, I like to listen to depressing music. Somehow, my sorrow is expressed through the voice of the torn singer. The song says what I cannot. And after the song is over, I feel relieved, as if I had spoken my secret, relieving me for a time. With aggressive music, it also lets me give voice to my frustrations, releasing them harmlessly. Do you not think that this is better than pretending that everything is ok, and then impulsively displacing my anger upon the innocent victim who triggers my pent up feelings?
The Outcast: Do you think that Christian metal can actually exist? Do you think that it is a contradiction, Metal and Christianity being in the same sentence? The whole "life style" that metal is categorized under. (Example: Sex, Drugs, Violence, etc...)
Bill: All I can say is, it is too bad that AIDS isnít spread by wearing a crucifix.
The Outcast: In your opinion, do you believe that evil can be used for good and good for evil?
Bill: Look at how Christians have done evil things in the name of good. There can be a sheep in wolfís clothing.
The Outcast: What is your definition of a hypocrite?
Bill: If I answer this question as you expect, then I would appear to be without this flaw. But I have been hypocritical many times, and I am sure that I will be an asshole again. Hypocrisy is an occupational hazard, Ha-Ha!
The Outcast: Would you say that a lot of Christians and Satanist alike, are very judgmental, critical, and closed minded towards each others beliefs? Do you think thatís normal/human for a lot of people?
Bill: All I can say is; there should be a bloody war between the two.
The Outcast: So, what made you decide to do a Ďzine?
Bill: I thought that it would be fun to make something that broke all the rules. It didnít cost me anything at the time, so I had nothing to lose, except maybe a few teeth if someone punched me.
The Outcast: Did you ever think that it would last this long?
Bill: Not at all, and I never thought that it would go beyond being photocopied and being stapled in the corner.
The Outcast: Do you agree or disagree, that the people that have followed your work since the beginning, or close to it, now find your work boring or monotonous?
Bill: I disagree that people really feel that way. But I have insulted a few people who were once fans, and they say things like, "The old English is now old." Do they think that I used words like "thou" as a cool new trick? I mean, how could that possibly be a marketing ploy? Other people whom I have insulted say that thereís a limit on how many times you can call something gay. I think thatís a very gay thing to say personally.
The Outcast: How many death threats, if any, do you get in a month?
Bill: I have pretty much stopped getting direct threats, I think because people know that I will print them if they are comical enough. I usually get second-hand threats like, "Bill, when you go to that show, watch your back. I know some people who want to get you."
The Outcast: Have you ever had any physical attacks?
Bill: Yes, but that was from a radio show, not the mag. I had a girl read her boyfriendís love letters on my radio show and he had 8 skinheads beat the shit out of me. They didnít put me in the hospital, but it was the first time that I have been kicked in the face with boots.
The Outcast: Why did you choose to include pictures of women that were Ĺ naked, or other? Do you ever think about that you could be a slave to outer physical beauty, and not whatís on the inside?
Bill: That all started as a joke. I wanted my artist to draw a picture of the Virgin Mary in lingerie. But she ended up looking like a hot chick in a halo. Unlike the other art, there was no real composition. Not wanting to waste it, I just made a joke contest, "Be the next Grimoire girl." and look what happened! I never expected submissions at all. I love physical beauty, and I love sublime, unseen beauty. The difference is, I donít date girls who are only beautiful on the inside, those are just friends.
The Outcast: Do you know who David Arkenstone is? Has anyone ever told you that you resemble him?
The Outcast: Do you not agree that the way many people use the word gay for different things that is the way the smurfís use the word "smurf"? Since the word smurf was used by the smurfs, does that make people who use the word gay, a homosexual?
The Outcast: What has been your greatest accomplishment in your Ďzine career?
Bill: Getting interviewed by you. (That was so clichťí of you Bill.)